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    ★Yuki~♪
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    Re: Character / Player Application

    Post by ★Yuki~♪ on Fri May 20, 2016 1:18 am

    @Doc; That's what im getting at. Do you understand what base-line means? Bare minimum. "at the very least". All I was asking is that at some point or another the characters would have had enough contact together that they can safely assume (for the most part) that theyre not going to immediately get stabbed in the back and that they can rely on them in combat. Coming up to a stranger and going "hey lets hang out and fight monsters and find treasure" is really awkward and doesn't make a lot of sense.

    I really like what OPG and RD have been doing and I think every other character can be linked together in a similar fashion. They dont -all- have to have some affiliation with one another but a base-line of trust is not so hard to ask for even from the most anti-social mistrusting of characters.


    @OPG; Yeah I see your point and believe me I looked into this quite extensively. I've paid more attention to atsuko than any other character to make sure she won't be overpowered because I know how people felt about Frazil.

    The thing is that the tattoos are basically a curse. They are not interchangeable, they cannot be removed, they are permanent and limit her abilities significantly. Yeah on first glance she has a lot of toys to play with but none of them are nearly as strong as it might seem. The spear takes an entire turn to summon and requires a lot of energy. The tattoos suck the life-force out of her as she utilizes them, she doesn't need a lot of arcane knowledge if any to make use of them. And if the spear gets even slightly removed from her grip it immediately expires, instantly, on the spot. It costs a good chunk of energy to even summon it let alone change the element on it. Ontop of that, this is a universe in which magic is as common as technology here in the real world. It's not super uncommon for magic to be cancelled either by other magic or tools of sorts. The right kind of monk could temporarily sever a magic user's connection to any kind of force. There are anti-magic spells and traps and techniques that can completely nullify every single one of her powers which leaves her just as defenseless as just a random npc walking down the street.Without her powers she is (pardon my saying this) useless in combat. Completely. And they are not super hard to disable. Even past that I wanted to specifically explain how her charming power works. It's not instant, it's not even very fast nor very effective. Imagine for example... Some guy blocks her way at a bar and says she cant come in here because she's eastern. There is a tiny mild conflict between the two and if she spends enough time around the guy he may or maynot reconsider if perhaps he gets some money in return or whatever. It's a small change. It makes it possible for her to socialize without sacrificing the characters story and personality but at the great cost of being unable to learn just that one extra skill. That slot is permanently taken up and she wont be able to replace it with anything else for as long as that character lives. on the contrary; If someone pulls out their sword and is ready to hack the ever-living heck out of her that ability of hers will do absolutely nothing. It will be completely useless past the tiniest of mental changes. Well worth a valuable irreplaceable slot.



    I don't think its unreasonable to change her stats around a little bit to give her a single point of arcana, or even two I don't think will be an issue. But as things are currently I don't know how delakayte feels with this being the second character to be so heavily rejected.

    Now here is the part where I want to clarify something; I'm neither mad or upset with anyone, nor am I yelling or ranting. I'm just laying it out as it is and answering any questions or concerns you have. In regards to the Q&A, go right ahead! I appreciate questions. The more you understand about the game the easier it is to play. I know not all information is written out black in white yet but I will gladly answer any questions you have.


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    Re: Character / Player Application

    Post by TheWhiteRabbit on Fri May 20, 2016 1:58 am

    So this is my first post on this topic. I'm very tired and I'm getting the basic idea of why this character maybe not as well received. First off Delta people don't want you to leave. Its constructive criticism. Grow up. I do enjoy the concept and idea of what you came up with. It reminds me of one of the characters from Wakfu who used tattoos to fight. This character was among my favorites. Good job. What seems to be the confusion is how you word things. I see what you're going for but at first glance people see other things that may be unbalanced. Just because they don't understand what you're trying to get at. I see in Yuki's post that magic is common which is totally cool, BUT what we are getting at regardless of these being part of her body. Magic. Or curses. The energy they seem to be producing inherently seems to be magic. Yes its part of your body. Yes it takes an entire turn to do some of this stuff(I hope. You weren't clear in your descriptions). Its still magic though. You have a zero in arcana. Zero. Meaning via fantasy wise you shouldn't be able to control it. Let alone understand or summon it. I've played various games of fantasy in which someone who can preform magic with no understanding is basically bullshit. Lets say you keep the concept of these magical tattoos. If you wanted to "balance" this character these abilities should A: Not work half the time. Or B: when it happens she may not be able to fully control it. Meaning that anyone in the area would be at risk of danger when it comes to a damaging ability. From bystanders, enemies and the allies who are with you could be potentially damaged. Including yourself. Which would make a lot of sense and would really change up the pace and make conflict which could lead to story in helping her control these abilities. END POST!!!!!!
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    Re: Character / Player Application

    Post by SentaiSenpai on Fri May 20, 2016 2:33 am

    Yeah I kinda get that, I know magic is supposed to be common in this society and basically another form of technology, and her using her life force to activate it is a fine enough idea, but how does she even know how to activate it in the first place? If someone has no idea where the power button on their computer is, they're not gonna be able to power it on, let alone use any of the programs. Plus just the range of abilities the tattoos give her seems like a catch all for whatever she couldn't spec into, and kinda makes other roles irelevant. The influence ability may not be all that strong, and I do see how that could work, but it's the fact that it's in addition to having a force field that acts as a weightless set of heavy armor, healing, wide range of elemental buffs, and illusions to help her with stealth, which she also has no points in. It just seems like too much y'know? I get she won't be popping every one of these all the time in every fight, and even that each one will take a full turn for setup which is good for magic, I think setup can help balance magical character a lot. Still though I can't see her having a challenge against anything until much much later in the RP, like her big weakness seems to be IF someone just so happens to be able to stop magic. Even then if she does hit a wall like that she can maneuver her way out with zero issues, and THAT part is fine, she's built to be quick and that makes perfect sense, but it kinda feels like when it comes to combat the only thing that'll give her issues is again depending on the chance someone has a magic nullifier of some sort on hand. Again I didn't mean for this to lead to anyone quitting, I was just trying to avoid what seemed like it might begin to lead to a bigger argument. When it comes down to it, you're the bottom line, and if you really think the character is fine then I will keep my opinion to myself after this, I really wasn't trying to drive her away, I was just trying to make sure her powers weren't just handling every situation, like with Rabbit being a healer, if she can heal herself most of the time then why do they need to interact? Thus people start breaking away from each other. My character has 8 to his endurance, but if she can make herself a strong weightless forcefield why would I bother taking a hit for her? Hopefully I'm making sense here, you said you wanted our characters to not break apart into their own little groups, but if people feel like they don't need to help her it's going to cut down on the interactions we have with her.
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    Re: Character / Player Application

    Post by ★Yuki~♪ on Fri May 20, 2016 10:40 am

    I understand that. Like I told doc it's obviously no problem. The topic was created to talk about the characters so anyone's input is welcome as long as it's constructive, which is the case here.

    It wasn't a flawless system but we had spent a lot of time trying to work out the balancing even down to the point where I suggested she use a needle or some specific form of physical contact in order to stir up the active tattoos. Since the are a hex they each are built with labor and sacrifices as the magic dictates. The sacrifice is months of pain and potential poisoning here and there as the tattoos are being made and I only realized afterwards there wasn't a way to draw on the power. That was my bad. The way I see it though if she (as per my example) pricked herself with a needle or cut herself then it would make some sense as to why it would activate or not although I'm worried it might be too much like how sacrier work, as you described. Lastly as for the heal; It took up 2 skill slots and is a very mediocre form of healing. It would fix bruises and smaller wounds within a few days instead of a week but bigger wounds would not be able to be healed by them. For locking off 2 skills I didn't think it was super unreasonable, and it is a passive.

    I hope that answers some of your questions! :)

    Either way I'm not sure what's happening with DelaKayte but for now it seems like the best course of action is to move on from here and focus on the rest of the game and finishing off characters. Worse comes to worse I might be able to find another player or we will just play with a slightly smaller group for faster rotations, which is just as well with me. I'm sorry to see DelaKayte go but it's more the situation that made it happen rather than any person so there is nothing to be done.


    @OPG & RD; You mentioned having a potential link for your two characters? What's your plan? Are you still going through with it? It doesn't (currently) seem like anyone else is grouped up so at this point I'll accept any input you have. I really just need communication from your guys :O
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    Re: Character / Player Application

    Post by ★Yuki~♪ on Fri May 20, 2016 11:09 pm

    So I have spent the entire week brainstorming about the whole tattoo hex thing. It was actually quite challenging and I see there was a lot of confusion about it. I'm going to say it how I decided it;

    Hex tattoos will not require the use of arcana nor knowledge thereof. A hex sigil drawn on the ground doesn't have the sentience to cast a spell. It's the hex itself that is hardwired and designed to do it. as I described in the magic section it's similar to fabrica just a lot less flexible.

    What this means? Anyone without arcana can make use of a hex tattoo, but they DO require an activation code of some sorts. Getting pricked or cutting one's self or going through complex motion patterns to activate them. The only exclusion to this are passive hex tattoos in which case they just sap a small stream of life energy permanently. This means someone under a hex, who is technically cursed, regardless if beneficial or negative, will be unable to make use of any other kind of magic including base protraction. Anything too similar to the hex magic applied will interfere with the life energy of the hexed victim making them unable to make use of any such magics. Basically: If you want a hex tattoo thats great but that's the only thing your character will be able to make use of.

    Additionally: The tattoos can take up to a year of continuous torture, each, as a sacrifice for the hex spell and cannot be removed even by the strongest cures or dispells. Any items, creatures, or weapons and shields invoked through such magic can be individually dispelled to disarm them for example if someone gets cut by a magic dagger that for whatever reason or other disables magic then the spells will essentially turn off. Like a power outage.

    Skills cannot be technically increased with tattoos. They simply are a cosmetic example as to why said character might have above average (for normal humans) skills like speed or strength. It's an alternative as to why so and so person has their 32 points instead of only 20 or so.

    This isn't a suggestion, it's a feature I want to implement into the game permanently. Thanks to everyone for your great feedback, suggestions, and questions. I don't believe these will cause a problem as much as they will just enhance the game-play for some characters, current and future and through this helps define an alternative style of play that essentially amounts to the same idea as other characters, albeit much more limiting than a normal mage or fighter would be.

    Thank's for your consideration on the matter :)



    Any input on linking characters together would be great. If we don't manage to link every character together I suppose that's just how things will have to be but it would be nice to see everyone try. I want to be able to jump right into the game with little need for prolonged introductions! :)
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    Re: Character / Player Application

    Post by Dr.Atrium on Sat May 21, 2016 9:48 am

    I was talking to OPG how our two could loosely be connected. Since his back story says that the arena was build by a rich family, we were thinking that it could of been Rey's family that made it. A place where they could watch some entertainment and help train themselves. Rey could of been with his family and saw Victor fighting before when he was younger.

    Still can't see why Rey would know a thief....Would have to talk to The Rabbit but Rey could of hired Ru to help him get info on the person he is looking for. We will see


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    Re: Character / Player Application

    Post by ★Yuki~♪ on Sat May 21, 2016 9:48 pm

    Occasional run-ins happen. Or he could have / will be meeting him through OPG's character. Either way, good job! I really like the idea. Perhaps that could be the reason as to why the arena closed. Since there are other families shaming Rey's they might have been forced to sell it off ending with it being demolished or refurbished for something else.
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    Re: Character / Player Application

    Post by DelaKayte on Sun May 29, 2016 7:03 pm

    After Extensive discussion with both Yuki and Doc, I will be playing Atsuko. I feel like I should explain the summary of what I explained to them surrounding my tattoos so that those of you who are still skeptical might understand.

    Head: The social ability on this is very minor. A very slight shift in mood one way or the other. Being Famous (as OPGs character is) does -way- more adjusting of attitude, but at the expense of not being able to choose which direction that attitude goes. The difference being, I don't have the social skill to make use of it mine, where OPG -does- have the skill to manipulate the reaction to his being Famous into the direction he wishes. This makes this a support skill for people who actually have social stats. In combat, it's basically a very minor taunt, or aggro dump, for a little bit of battlefield manipulation. In short, this tattoo is -yours- not mine.

    Arms: I have a magic spear. -Any- of you could have a magic spear. It's not that difficult a thing to make in world. The -only- advantage I have from it is barring some kind of intervention I'll never be without it. Said intervention is somewhat common since there are magic users with much more potent abilities that must be captured and imprisoned for various reasons. As for it being a summon, see Doc's summon, -way- more powerful than a spear. Used 2 slots.

    Upper back: Primarily story. Almost no in game effect. (see "Downsides" below regarding stats.)

    Lower back: I have magic armor. -Any- of you could have... [see the entry for Arms] 

    Torso Front: This is entirely combat based. Unlike suggested, it is -not- a stealth skill. If anything it would make me more noticeable. It is simply an illusion that makes precise strikes against specific parts of me nigh impossible, and will make predicting my attacks more difficult, therefore harder to block or parry or dodge or whatever. It is not nearly as potent as say, invisibility, which is an ability that has been in the game before. (Airgetlam)

    Thighs: This is almost useless. The -only- purpose this serves is avoiding the situation where I don't really get to play for a (real time) year simply because I was stabbed. Used 2 slots.

    Calves: These slots are wasted. They are empty, intentionally, because I didn't want to add even more questionable abilities when I already knew that the type of magic I was proposing would be intimidating to people who didn't understand it. This is going to change, because as pointed out above, I'm actually -less- powerful than even I had thought. These tattoos will be discussed and balanced in the same way the ones above have been.

    Downsides to the tattoos I have:

    All of my active tattoos take an action (with specific triggers) to activate. This means that if surprised in my sleep it will take me (Armor + Spear + Illusions =) 3 turns to even be ready to fight. And without the sleep part, it will still take (Spear+Illusions=) 2 turns. This also means that if I'm prevented from using the triggers I also can't get the effect.

    Any turn where I use the taunt/aggro dump, I can't do anything more than move. Any turn where I have to re-summon my spear because it was disarmed, I can't do anything more than move. Any turn I use to change the element on my spear, I can't do anything more than move. There are going to be a -lot- of combat turns that I pretty much have to skip.

    I can't use, or have used on me any of the following magical items or spells: weapons, armor, illusions, healing, stat buffs. (The only benefit here is that stat reductions also won't work.) I can't use -any- magic at all that comes from myself outside of the tattoos.

    And this brings me to the final statement. I'm -very- combat specialized, which means I'm -very- useless as more than a support Hex in social situations. The new calf tattoos will not change that. This character was built to be support, both in combat and in social situations, and the calf tattoos will follow that theme.
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    Re: Character / Player Application

    Post by ★Yuki~♪ on Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:11 pm

    So as far as I understand the characters are connected like follows;
    Reymondo's family owned an arena but the arena was sold off or demolished (partly due to other families sabotaging them) so Rey would have seen Victor (?) fight and maybe interacted with the man on the rare occasion or two. Either of the characters could have run in or hired Rauj or bought information off him. There was mention of Victor preventing Rauj from stealing something or returning it? Perhaps we could throw shibari or atsuko in the mix that way, although I'd rather not start a relationship off on distrust with one another. Atsuko needs anyone who is willing to show her around and be a bit of company so she can easily be paired up with anyone who is friendly, like victor or shibari(?) but maybe not so much rey. I briefly talked with Producer about Shibari's background but he never posted the bit that I asked for. Basically she's got some background with some ladyfriend / lover who suddenly disappeared, if someone were to have any information on the matter that'd be a good motivation for her, I think. I havent heard anything at all from Rabbit and I wouldn't really know how he comes into play but that's what I've gathered so far as far as connections go.

    Tell me what you think before I flesh out any info and continue working on the story..
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    Re: Character / Player Application

    Post by DelaKayte on Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:47 pm

    Atsuko would be intrigued the most by Reymondo, Shibari, and Victor. 

    Of the 3 Victor would be the one most likely to have actually attracted her attention enough to get her talking due to his boisterous nature. He seems to have many stories, and a willingness to boast which, if they ran across  one another in a bar would have her very interested. 

    He seems like the kind that would appreciate a newcomer who didn't already know about his feats, and the opportunity to share them anew. He's also the kind of person she would tag along with, if allowed, as he would definitely provoke a lot of interaction with the society as a whole.

    Side note: Producer did his background thing, but in his character sheet.
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    Re: Character / Player Application

    Post by TheWhiteRabbit on Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:29 pm

    NO, I HAVEN'T BEEN ON BECAUSE I FORGOT MY LOGIN INFO AND HAD TO DIG THROUGH MY E-MAIL TO FIND IT!!!! So I read a few posts on this page *cough* delta *cough*. Also Yuki's as well about the characters knowing each other somewhat and how I haven't been in contact. I've been working late hours at and I only have a short time to relax before I go to sleep and since this is something I'm not used to doing I tend to forget it. Apologies. I can't really comment on how my character will know anyone mainly because I have yet to read the setting of the start of this. Again no time. Yet I have talked to OPG Doc, and spike? Idk if thats his profile name and I'm to lazy to go and look. Its the dood with the bitchin hat...and the totem thing (not Doc). We really only figured that my guy would be known via reputation. Which is kinda difficult. I stated in my character page that if something doesn't fit then to notify me so I can fix it but I haven't heard anything. I believe you can PM people on this forum. Use that. Delta I'm glad your back. Really I am. The more people and diverse characters will make the story interesting and I'm glad you are here. SENTIMENT OVER!!!! Now for the part you'll hate me for :) which I'm fine with. I read your coming back post that goes more into details about your character abilities (thank you :D) I could go on about the line thingy emphasis that I really think is childish and condescending. Which you are justified to have an attitude. Most people who get criticism for something they made don't like it. Its still irritating though please try to limit that if possible. I'm mostly irritated at how you present these updates. You say anyone could have a magic spear and armor. Yes. We could. Let me bring something to the table though. MAGIC IS REQUIRED TO DO SO. MAAAAAAGGGGIIIIICCCCCC SPEAR AND ARMOR. Last time I checked OPG doesn't have the ability to use magic. Its 0. ZERO. AS IN DOESN'T EXIST. Get it? Spike. I mean. I don't even need to look at his page to know he doesn't have arcana (literally I didn't look. Spite me. I DARE YOU!!!!) There for they can't do ANYTHING MAGICAL. Like your character who doesn't have anything in arcana. Meaning these tattoos shouldn't be magic because they (according to the character sheet) literally can't be(even if its a curse or item you shouldn't be able to use it). Even if you had 1 point. One measly point I wouldn't care. Because regardless of who complained I could point out that you DO have a point and thus it technically could be done. Actually with one point I'd expect something to go wrong most of the time when you would use it. THAT would be awesome, and funny. From what I read you can't be healed outside of what you can do meaning I have no reason to be with or ever meet your character. Which I'm fine with if you want it to go that way. Yet for some reason this is getting a pass with Yuki who is trying to get everyone to accept this even through it goes against the guidelines she set. I don't want to drop the F-bomb but we know what it is. Spoilers its not fuck. Yes I'm not to keen on your attitude or how you condescendingly try to re-describe your character with this line emphasis like you're irritated that we don't immediately understand and accept something that uses tattoos to bullshit the parameters of the character creation. Which again was set by the person who is defending you. Still though. STILL I'm willing to. Hmmm. Not gonna say bite my tongue. I don't ever do that so I wont start now. I'm willing to see where you go with this and am eager to see the extent of your creativity :D. End of line.
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    Re: Character / Player Application

    Post by ★Yuki~♪ on Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:29 pm

    I'm going to step in here and clarify a few things, starting that I think you have some pretty poor nerves to think you can come onto my forums, ignore 90% of the things I write, including all of the explanations as to why the mechanics that I have designed myself work the way that I have designed, only to turn around and use two of your 3 only posts to complain about a mechanic I had, again, already previously explained in the past.

    I do agree Dela isn't reacting in the best way she could, but that just as well stems from many problems that I have expressed issues with multiple times, in the past and in this topic as well. I believe Dela is justified to be at least a little upset seeing as how she goes out of her way to make interesting characters only to be shot down by people who don't fully understand the rules of the game. This is the second time this has happened on a character that is a lot weaker in practice than she seems to be on paper. More importantly you are accusing someone of going against the rules I have set up without even reading any of the notices or explanations or backgrounds I have written all over the forum. 90% of the things I do on here is building mechanics and systems, rather than posting story content (because in the past rotations had been incredibly slow). If you had taken a few minutes to go back and read everything that was posted you would have understood that I explained specifically that Dela and I discussed her character in person in the same way I have with Doc and Producer when it comes to Reymondo and Shibari. We had gone over all the details, specifically keeping in mind how little people accepted Frazil as a character in order to avoid this very situation happening. That being said, I had said the tattoos are fine the way they work because they come at a really really high price and are not nearly as effective as they sound initially. She's arguably the weakest character in the group, second to maybe Shibari... that remains to be seen, and is near useless in any non-combat situation. But I won't be repeating myself.

    I then also want to point out your completely unwarranted and extreme use of bolt, underline, and caps-locked font. This is incredibly immature behavior from someone who is accusing another of acting immature herself. Between this kind of arrogant and patronizing behaviour and your obvious lack of time I'm not sure what your plans are here in the game. It's a social event where people get together to play a game. A fantasy game at that. I could easily just throw out the stat system, but as I have explained excessively in the character creation and other rules; Stats are a guideline to show how skilled your character is at at ask, with a 0-1 being the base-line of knowledge. In the magic section I specifically explain that there are variants on magic and tools that assist characters and npc without any magical capability to utilize spells and clearly as with most things, you have admitted yourself to not have read, you must have entirely skipped past that section. Again alongside the part where I distinctly say that this is the way the tattoos work.

    Lastly: This topic was not only a REQUIREMENT, that I have written as a Global Announcement, but there is also a generally accepted 2 day maximum rule between posts. The reason the last game fell apart, something I excessively mentioned in this topic as well, is because 4 of the members rarely or never bothered to check the forum and post. If you're as busy as you say and you haven't even the tiniest commitment to the game as to even read up on the basic information i'm giving you guys then I do not see how you can commit yourself to playing a game that requires years of attendance. It will slow the game down tremendously for those who are legitimately passionate about it.

    I, too, have to work a lot and the last thing I want to do is log on to the forum (something I am incredibly passionate about and feel positively about) only to read these kinds of responses. This is incredibly unacceptable behaviour that I won't be seeing in the future.

    Doc as my Moderator agreed with me and said the tattoos make a lot more sense now that he has gotten them explained to in proper. If nothing else you should find comfort if that, since MY rules as the admin and creator of the game count for nothing but pretentious and false fodder to lord over other members. Consider this your official warning, should you decide to behave like this in the future I will have to take measures, not as a friend, player, or anything personal, but as the administrator of this site.

    Failing to accept these terms or at the very least write some reply within the next 2-3 days will result in your status being moved to inactive, as for me to focus on the players currently waiting on the game to start.
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    Re: Character / Player Application

    Post by SentaiSenpai on Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:46 am

    ....So I know this has next to nothing to do with me, and originally I was going to say nothing on the matter and just keep my head down, but some things have become very clear to me.

    1. I was under the impression that this thread was not only to figure out how characters would fit in, but also help with some constructive criticism and spitball ideas back and forth for consideration... That is not the case, because while there has been plenty of back patting going on, the second I tried to offer some criticism we almost lost someone in the process due to her inability to take said criticism like an adult.

    2. Now that things have gotten stressful, the paint has fallen back and this is becoming less of a democracy, and more of a dictarorship.

    Could Rabbit have voiced his complaint better? of course he could have. But to be fair I'm at fault for letting it get to this point. I was complaining to him about how nothing has really changed. Dela walked away, and came back because you, Yuki, basically said "Here's the bottom line." and allowed for not even the SLIGHTEST amount of spitballing. If Dela hadn't stormed off I was ready to run some suggestions by that might have been of some use, but instead you brought her back and told everyone to shut their mouths, and keep opinions to themselves. Instead of taking suggestions or allowing for an open dialogue, you instead closed off discussions, and applied a rule that allows Dela to keep everything she wanted without sacrificing stats. You even closed her off from other characters. Rabbit's not allowed to heal her because we couldn't change the tattoos even a little. She doesn't need anyone to tank for her, and she's the fastest character in the game. Maybe she wouldn't have been all that broken in the actual game, but now since no one was allowed to share an idea, she has no reason to interact with the healer, who is already having troubles figuring out how to fit in. You even tell Rabbit that 0-1 is a baseline for basic knowledge of the stat, but in your own guide for character creation states that 1 is the lowest an NPC would have...0 is lower than an NPC by your own standards, but because one of your friends is being challenged and questioned on the matter, 0 now counts for something? You and her are quick to point out, and defend the issues with the Frazil character, yes we hated the character, she came from another roleplay without being tweaked for the current roleplay until there was a big fuss about it, that's how these things work, you try to force something, there's going to be friction (giggity) I was willing to forget all that and move on with this roleplay, but once again, I tried to give mild, unbiased, objective criticism, and Dela immediately accused me of being biased the second I couldn't read what she was typing (When she was talking to Doc) Hell, I'd be busting on RD's new character too if it wasn't for the fact that he specifically told me he was trying to break his character, just to see if he could get away with it, since you were being so lax about what character's could do. And as far as Doc's character goes, you guys probably could have given his character a bit of criticism too before you basically shut down all criticism. Everyone seems to insist that he's too powerful, but no one was willing to offer a lick of ideas on how to fix it, you just kept bringing it up to detract from Dela whenever she came under fire.

    Moral of the story...I used to RP quite a bit, and it's something I enjoyed doing...but that was because there was allowed to be a discussion, and people were allowed to help one another, since that is something this forum pretends to have rather than ACTUALLY have, you can consider this my official resignation. I had every intention of sticking around and having fun, but since your real priority has been made painfully obvious, and you are much more willing to bend the world around your friend to keep her happy, instead of asking her to compromise like an adult, and be open to an adult conversation, I'll be the bad guy and walk away. It's not worth the drama, and while I came into this excited to get a fresh start at an RP, I'd rather remove myself now and save the trouble of bailing midway through when I get annoyed from the drama that will surely be kicked up later. The best friend of the admin gets special treatment, and you really expect no one to have a problem with it? Maybe the issue lies with the character, maybe it's the way people are perceiving the character, or maybe it's the way the character is being portrayed, but one thing's for sure: We'll never know when that iron fist slams down mid sentence. Is it your job to keep people from being jerks to each other? Of course. But when Dela came back with a snarky attitude telling us all her abilities were fine, we just 'didn't get it' you had no problem, but when Rabbit gave it back to her in spades, suddenly there was an issue. I'll wipe by character on the way out, feel free to wipe this profile, it'll only collect dust.
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    Re: Character / Player Application

    Post by ★Yuki~♪ on Sat Jun 04, 2016 3:01 pm

    I have wanted communication and ideas. I always encouraged it, it's not being pretentious or picking favorites. When you asked about it I explained how it worked. I ran the idea of finalizing the mechanics by Doc and Doc said to me that the character was perfectly fine. I found out afterwards that he wasn't being honest so dela would feel like playing again and come back. This is just part of the miscommunication that's been going on. I also didn't know at all that you didn't even have a computer, or at least I had forgotten since I do remember now it was mentioned a year ago during the original game. So at the time I wasn't aware that you guys talking in a group was purely because of that, since no one has mentioned it since the preparations of the new game. I also wasn't ever told untill yesterday evening that rabbit works such late hours that he barely has time to check the forum. If I had been told that chances are I would have been a lot more lenient about it. Although I feel as though some time should be dedicated to the forum. The fact of the matter is once the game starts It'll only take 5 minutes to log on and see who has posted and I will, regardless, stick to my 2 day rule. I don't want him ending like Blake did where every other turn he gets skipped because he fails to ask for an extension or something. We talked a bit between each other and the conversation was not very respectful on either side but we ended up coming to some form of common ground afterall. I asked him about being able to play his character differently than how he acts IRL because afterall it is a roleplaying game, not a mary sue simulator. I'm not sure what's happening with this still but I wanted to share this so there are no closed doors or information holes.

    That being said I really don't appreciate people making me look like the bad guy for doing my job. Within the parameters of the game I've built her tattoos make perfect sense, and she's not nearly as strong as Doc or Jack were in the previous RP. In fact she's probably easily the second weakest character in the game. And it's not that she can't be healed by others, she just cant use other magic herself. The tattoos prevent her from channeling any kinds of magic. If she was unable to be affected by it though that would truly make her overpowered, as she would be fully resistant to attack spells or curses or environmental influence. I felt like that was kind of an obvious explanation but I'll make sure to do a better job of outlining mechanics or concepts in the future. (No sarcasm, not being condescending, im just throwing it out there as it is.)

    Regardless of Dela leaving or not you could have mentioned your idea anyway. It's part of communication but I won't go on about it for long because you understand this, and admitted it yourself. But I was also relying on the players understanding because I was reassured that (to paraphrase a quote); "Whatever you decide is the final word and I'll go with that."
    I see now that I can't rely on that kind of comfort and that's perfectly fine, it was a mistake on my end to pick the easy way out and display my dominance for once. And by the way I'd still like to hear your idea because you never know, I could have changed my mind on the workings of the tattoos and given it more thought. This can apply in hindsight anyway.

    Bottom line is; In the future I will be a lot more strict with character development. I didn't really want to do this because the point of the game was for everyone to be able to play the characters they wanted to but without some strict and systematic review of a character I won't be able to please everyone and avoid conflicts like these where people feel they are being ganged up on, which was the only reason Dela was having an issue to begin with. I don't think she handled it very well but there are all kinds of people out there and I told her just as much as I told everyone else that this wasn't a good situation and that I had to pick my job over picking my friends so in the end everyone got their ear full which I believe is fair from me as that's exactly what I am supposed to do.

    Again; Just for clarification, I'm not mad about the criticizm, I'm bothered by the lack of communication, even to the point where no one was willing to explain why there was a lack of communication despite me making various posts practically begging for people to reply.

    I can't work on the game if I don't know what characters are doing what. The story is a skeleton that I fill out as more detail about the characters comes out.
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    Re: Character / Player Application

    Post by DelaKayte on Sat Jun 04, 2016 4:55 pm

    Doc, Yuki, this is -exactly- why I didn't want to come back, and -exactly- what I said would happen. It's even worse if this part is true:

    ★Yuki~♪ wrote:...he {Doc} wasn't being honest so dela would feel like playing again and come back.

    I didn't "storm off". I saw -this- coming and walked away. I don't want special treatment, I never have. I want a mature, intelligent, non-abusive group that has a little bit of faith in one another to play the game fairly. It seems that I can't find that here, and is the original reason I left.

    When Doc had the super long conversation with me, and declared that he understood the concept and agreed with it and that the opinion of one single person (OPG) shouldn't stop me from playing the character, I agreed to return. At this point it's not the opinion of OPG that bothers me. OPG could have a reasonable discussion with me, and I'm sure there would be a way to sort it out. Especially when I start linking rules and data that are already on the forum.

    Rabbit on the other hand. You are rude, obnoxious, selfish, and talk without any idea of what you're talking about, since you've admitted to not actually reading anything here. I refuse to play with you.

    Doc, if you were pandering to me, I refuse also to play with you. I can't work with a moderator that I can't trust not to play favorites.

    OPG, I actually like the idea of playing with you, but not if you don't have a computer. You can't reliably commit to playing if you don't.

    RD, I'm sorry that the drama here has likely ruined the fun you planned to have. I seriously enjoy playing with you.

    Producer, Yuki, you know where to find me.
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    Re: Character / Player Application

    Post by TheWhiteRabbit on Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:44 pm

    So I read Yuki's post. I don't know why I'm doing this. First off the massive assumption making is irritating. You seem to think that just because I don't log on everyday and post. when nothing is going on. That I clearly wont do it when the roleplay starts. You know the reason why I'm here. I forgot what I was typing. Hold on. RIGHT!! Yuki this is what annoys me with you atm. What I'm seeing is someone stamping their feet and crying because they don't like how I say things. Get over it. Not everyone in this world is nice. Its not all sunshine and rainbows. It wasn't built around you. Apologize. Its funny to how Dela says I'm rude and -obnoxious- when she -constantly- uses these -lines- to emphasis -everything- she says as if she has to or else we wont get it. Its funny because I used the bold face and everything to highlight the points we were trying to make and I did it so she literally couldn't miss them. Not to shocked that she did. Its funny how you say I'm rude when your come back explanation post clearly states for people who were skeptical. Its not that we are skeptical. Its that we couldn't understand what you were trying to go with. I really want to see what you can go with. I want to experience your creativity. I do. I don't hate you and I'm not mad at Yuki. Though Doc made a joke about Producer being dead in which Yuki immediately stated that OPG and I were dead to her. Way to jump to conclusions your fucking idiot. That bothered me a lot. YET EVEN STILL. I will be more than happy to work with everyone in all of this. You don't want to change anything on your character Dela? Don't. Don't want to put one damn point in arcana so this makes even the smallest semblance of sense? Don't. We can work on it in the story with potentially a interesting background story going into your character. I would love to see that. You guys keep firing at me and make assumption like you know me and you don't know a damn thing. I want this to happen and I will post. I WANT TO EXPERIENCE THIS STORY WITH EVERY CHARACTER AND PERSON. I'm will to work with people to do so. You talk to me like an adult and you'll get it in return.
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    Re: Character / Player Application

    Post by DelaKayte on Sat Jun 04, 2016 6:15 pm

    TheWhiteRabbit wrote:What I'm seeing is someone stamping their feet and crying because they don't like how I say things. Get over it. Not everyone in this world is nice. Its not all sunshine and rainbows. It wasn't built around you. Apologize. Its funny to how Dela says I'm rude and -obnoxious- when she -constantly- uses these -lines- to emphasis -everything- she says as if she has to or else we wont get it.

    No, what you're seeing is people who understand that the world works in such a way that if they don't like how you say things they don't have to deal with you.

    As for the -lines- they're simply there because I can't verbalize what I'm trying to say so I try to zone in on the key parts for people who TL;DR and skim. Now who's making assumptions?

    Regardless I'm done talking to you. Your entire existence on this forum consists of a character sheet, and you being disrespectful and argumentative. First to me, then to Yuki, then pretty much to the forum as a whole. You seem to think that we must "get over it" and deal with you. Fact is, we don't have to.
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    Re: Character / Player Application

    Post by ★Yuki~♪ on Sat Jun 04, 2016 6:17 pm

    I didn't say that, and that's not what happened. Doc said producer was basically dead because he doesn't post regularly either, something I've mentioned often too. I said that I feel the same way about OPG and you, Rabbit, since neither of you can post regularly due to your own RL limitations. Don't make it sound like I'm saying these awful things when you don't tell people the whole story.

    That being said after some clarifying with Doc I understand now that the information I got was incomplete. He didn't lie about accepting the character he just didn't fully understand her but he just told me he says it's fine. So I wanted to correct myself on that.

    But that being said I don't see this working. Everyone is too busy misconstruing my words, insulting me and trying to publicly shame me as much as possible, for what?

    There is no point playing a game with this kind of behaviour and with the way characters are now the game will end the same way the last did; With people running off doing their own thing and not playing with other people.

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